Deborah Archer is a professor at New York University School of Law, where she is the co-faculty director of the Center on Race, Inequality, and the Law. She's also the new president of the ACLU, the eighth in the organization's history and the first Black person to serve in the role. In this conversation, Professor Archer discusses her vision for the ACLU, how her life experience as a Black woman and the daughter of immigrants inspires her work, and what and who keeps her going when things are really hard.